2025-03-18

The State of AI: Humanoid Robots, AI Copyright Wars & China’s Growing Influence w/ Salim Ismail #157

Peter Diamandis and Salim Ismail run their weekly news roundup plus highlights from the 2025 Abundance360 Summit. They cover Figure AI's humanoid robot factory, the Sam Altman/DeepSeek China fight, the OpenAI/Google push to train on copyrighted content (and Bill Gross's Prorata AI revenue-sharing fix), AI accelerating medical diagnosis and longevity, Estonia and Beijing mandating AI in schools while Western classrooms ban it, Ilya Sutskever's Safe Superintelligence, and Max Hodak's biohybrid brain-computer interface at Science Corp. They close on geopolitical risk, the dystopia-before-abundance framing borrowed from Mo Gawdat, and recaps of Palmer Luckey and the AI-investing panel from the summit.

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Topics

Humanoid robot factories scaling fast Robotics ▶ 3:01
Figure AI's new factory can build 12,000 robots/year, scaling to 100,000/year; Diamandis says he was wrong to be skeptical of humanoid robots given the pace of iteration.
Sam Altman vs. DeepSeek and China Geopolitics ▶ 6:28
Altman calls DeepSeek state-controlled and wants Chinese models banned; Ismail agrees it's likely true but calls it hypocritical given how OpenAI itself sourced training data, and argues the real threat is rogue actors, not China.
AI copyright fight and the Prorata fix Economy ▶ 9:26
OpenAI and Google are asking the US government to let them train on copyrighted content; Diamandis argues copyright law has been twisted to serve corporations, while Ismail points to Bill Gross's Prorata AI as a model that apportions LLM revenue back to the original content sources.
AI-accelerated diagnosis and longevity Longevity ▶ 13:41
Stanford researchers used AI to find a peptide that mimics Ozempic's weight-loss effect without the side effects; Diamandis recounts AI catching a multiple myeloma diagnosis that doctors missed for three months, and says doctors misdiagnose roughly 30% of the time.
AI mandated in schools: Estonia and Beijing Other ▶ 18:23
Estonia is rolling out ChatGPT for all secondary schools and Beijing is mandating AI courses in primary and secondary schools, while most Western classrooms Ismail surveyed still ban AI use outright.
Google Gemini Robotics bridges AI and the physical world Robotics ▶ 25:12
Google's Gemini Robotics model lets one AI software layer control many different physical robot bodies; both hosts frame physical embodiment as the 'Holy Grail' and note theories that consciousness emerges from interacting with the physical world.
Ilya Sutskever's Safe Superintelligence and defining ASI AI ▶ 27:46
Sutskever's startup is raising at a $30B valuation around the term 'superintelligence'; Ismail pushes back that neither AGI nor superintelligence has an agreed definition, while Diamandis proposes ASI should be aimed at unsolved problems like unifying physics or a workable global governance model.
The web being rebuilt for LLMs, not humans AI ▶ 35:43
Citing Andrej Karpathy, the hosts discuss how most web content is still written for human readers even though LLM attention is about to dominate human attention, meaning the web needs to be restructured for AI consumption.
Abundance360 Summit: MIT's AI dominance and younger founders Economy ▶ 38:02
Dave Blundin's data from the summit showed MIT as the top AI school by compute and unicorn output (ahead of USC and Stanford), with the average age of AI founders dropping from the 30s to 20-23, and 75% of incoming MIT freshmen wanting to start a company before graduating.
Science Corp's biohybrid neural interface Biotech ▶ 45:55
Max Hodak's company Science Corp is building a brain-computer interface that grows neural stem cells into the cortex through micro-wells instead of piercing it with filaments like Neuralink, aiming to avoid killing neurons while still achieving high-bandwidth read/write.
AI twins and digital avatars AI ▶ 46:00
HeyGen's avatar studio lets anyone create a photorealistic, multilingual AI twin in minutes; Diamandis says he's finally ready to build his own after being impressed by an earlier 'Peter Bot' experiment and a 120-year-old version of himself interviewed at the summit.
Holding two futures in superposition Geopolitics ▶ 50:03
Referencing Mo Gawdat, the hosts discuss a likely 5-12 year period of dystopian turbulence before reaching an abundant future, framed as 'Star Trek versus Mad Max,' and flag the risk of wider nuclear proliferation as the US pulls back from global leadership.
Drone delivery and 3D telepresence at the summit Other ▶ 53:47
Google's Wing drone delivery service and a new 3D telepresence system called Starline (commercializing by end of 2025) were summit highlights, alongside Palmer Luckey's closing talk recounting why he sold Oculus to Meta.

Predictions made

open Salim Ismail: Figure's humanoid robot pricing will drop from roughly sub-$100,000 to sub-$20,000 as production scales.
· due: unspecified · ▶ watch
“sub 100,000 to sub 20,000”
Your call:
open Peter Diamandis: Figure's humanoid robots will enter home use very shortly.
· due: unspecified · ▶ watch
“they're going to be heading into the home very shortly”
Your call:
open Peter Diamandis: A startup will release a completely free, fully-fledged AI doctor.
· due: 2025 · ▶ watch
“aiming by the end of this year to release a completely free fully fledged AI doctor”
Your call:
open Cathie Wood (cited): Tesla's Cybercab robotaxi will be operating in Texas by summer 2025, then Los Angeles, then nationwide.
· due: 2025 · ▶ watch
“Tesla's cyber cab should be up and operating by this summer in Texas”
Your call:
open Peter Diamandis: Google will commercialize its Starline 3D telepresence system.
· due: 2025 · ▶ watch
“they're going to be commercializing it by the end of this year”
Your call:
open Mo Gawdat (cited): The world will go through 5-12 years of dystopian turbulence before reaching an extraordinary era of abundance.
· due: 2030-2037 · ▶ watch
“for the next 5 to 12 years we're going to have a period of dystopian concerns”
Your call:
open Peter Diamandis: A future 'Peter Bot' simulation predicted Bitcoin will trade at $5 million (with crypto as the default global currency) 57 years from now.
· due: 2082 · ▶ watch
“it's uh running at $5 million in uh Bitcoins”
Your call:

Numbers that matter

Worth digging into

🕳️ Prorata AI's revenue-attribution model for LLM training data
Bill Gross's percentage-attribution approach is the first concrete proposed fix for the AI copyright standoff, and Diamandis has a personal financial stake in it as a listed content contributor.
🕳️ Science Corp's biohybrid neural interface
If Max Hodak's micro-well/neural-stem-cell approach avoids killing neurons the way Neuralink's filaments do, it could leapfrog Neuralink on bandwidth without the tissue damage.
🕳️ Stanford's AI-discovered GLP-1-alternative peptide
A peptide that replicates Ozempic-level weight loss without its side effects, found via AI analysis, would be a major pharma story if it holds up.
🕳️ MIT's outsized share of AI unicorns and falling founder age
The claim that MIT beats every other university on AI unicorns, with USC surprisingly second and founder age dropping into the early 20s, is a strong signal about where AI talent and capital are concentrating.
🕳️ Safe Superintelligence's actual technical approach
A $30 billion valuation with no product and a self-admittedly fuzzy definition of 'superintelligence' is a bet worth tracking as either visionary or a bubble signal.